Friday, August 6, 2010

Denominational doctrine over Biblical teaching?

So today I had an interesting discussion with some ladies at church that fueled this thought and got me all sorts of fired up for this issue. The topic was whether or not women should be allowed to teach Bible studies or Sunday School or whatever of boys, and not just boys but with boys and girls together. I guess it goes for women teaching classes where men would also be as well. I guess in the past this has been a taboo thing and people made a big deal out of this and I am left to wonder why is this even an issue? I understand and respect the view that women shouldn't be pastors, but this isn't about women pastoring but teaching. This really got me all worked up throughout the day the more and more I think about it the more upset I get at this train of thought. To say that women can't teach and spiritually lead boys is setting boys up for an improper view of women. If boys are taught that this is not okay for women then they could grow up and not value women and to not respect what they have to say. How are boys to view their own mother's if they are taught that women can't teach them? That women can only teach girls or other women is this teaching our boys and men that women have a lesser place or that their opinions and Biblical interpretations are not as good or accurate as a man's? To say that a man could not sit under some incredible woman like Beth Moore or Margaret Feinberg and not learn incredible insight is ridiculous!! These are just two examples of extraordinary women who God has called to teach and has given them great spiritual insight and there are so many more out there and to limit who they are allowed to minister to and to teach isn't that also limiting God? Or is what they have to say only good enough for women and not good enough for men? Now I realize that some topics and discussions are geared toward women and that's fine but I'm talking about in general. Why are churches so afraid to allow women to teach (I said teach not preach)? I know many women who have more spiritual depth and leadership skills then some men who are doing the leading and yet they will never get a chance to execute them and they have to stand back as the men do nothing. I'm not saying that all men are like this at all, so don't misunderstand what I'm saying. But I think we all miss out on what God has to say and wants to do when we limit who gets to speak. If we really and truly believe that men and women are created equal then why are we afraid to allow women the chance to teach what God is speaking to them? Couldn't women be given insight that could help men as well as women? What is this teaching our girls about leadership and their role in the kingdom of God? That they can learn great things and be excited about what God's doing but only share it with women? I think we run into grave trouble when we put denominational doctrine over Biblical teaching. So I did some research over this subject and here's some of the things that I found at the Refiner's Fire. Judges 4: 4 Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading [a] Israel at that time. 5 She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites came to her to have their disputes decided. Philippians 4: 2. I plead with Euodias and Syntyche that they be of one mind in our Master (Y'shua). 3. I also plead with you, my true burden bearers, that you assist those women who worked hard with me in the Good News; together with Clement and with the rest of my helpers whose names are written in the book of life. Luke 2: Then there was Kanna the prophetess a daughter of Peniel from the tribe of Ashir; she was also advanced in her days . And she was seven years with her husband whom she had lived with since her virginity. 37. And she was a widow for about eighty-four years. And she would not go out from (the Temple). (But would) with fasting and with prayer serve by day and by night. 38. And she also stood up in that hour and gave thanks to Master YHWH and was speaking concerning him to everyone who was waiting for the salvation of Urishlim (Jerusalem). There have been many debates about what the Bible says about women teaching men, and many try to use the following Scriptures as proof that women should remain in subordinate roles: 1 Corinthians 14: 34. Let your women be silent in the assembly: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be in subjection, as also Torah says. 35. And if they wish to be informed on any subject, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is unbecoming for women to speak in the assembly. 1 Tim. 2: 11. Let a woman learn in silence, with all submission: 12. for I do not allow a woman to teach or to be assuming over the man; but let her remain in stillness. First Timothy 2:11–15 does not teach that women cannot exercise their spiritual gifts when the body meets. We know that women can, and are to do so (Acts 2:17; 1 Cor. 12:7; 14:26). Instead, the passage has a more narrow focus on the role of a ruling elder. To "teach" (1 Tim. 2:12), as defined "with authority" is an elder's function. This particular function in the body of Messiah ­ and only this function ­ is reserved for men. More significant was the local situation in the Messianic assembly. False teachers had apparently found support in homes headed by widows (1 Tim. 1:6, 7; 5:13–15). False teaching was apparently still a problem for "gullible women" when the letter of 2 Timothy was written (2 Tim. 3:6-7). So the instructions for a woman to "learn" but not to "teach" was aimed at keeping the women, who in this congregation had proved particularly susceptible to false teaching, from spreading it. Paul, therefore, says, "I do not permit a woman to be a teacher." The context here has to do with assembly order, and the position of the man and woman in the assembly worship and work. The kind of teacher Paul has in mind is spoken of in Acts 13:1, I Corinthians 12:28, 29, and Ephesians 4:11 - YAHWEH-called, and YAHWEH-equipped teachers recognized by the Assembly as those having authority in the Assembly in matters of doctrine and interpretation. This prohibition of a woman to be a teacher, does not include the teaching of classes at the pastor's request, or children in a Sunday School, for instance, but does prohibit the woman from being an elder. When we look at the grammatical notation for "to teach" we find that it's a present infinitive which means that it speaks of a continuous or repeated action. So what Paul said to Timothy was that a woman was not to continuously teach a man, which would be seen as not being submissive (when looking at this verse in context), because if she was always teaching the man, he would never have time to teach her. At the same time, because the grammatical notation is a present infinitive, it would show that Paul did not say that a woman could not teach a man at all. So from a Scriptural standpoint women are allowed to teach men, just not continuously. Priscilla is seen in Scripture helping her husband teach Apollos the way of God more perfectly (Acts 18:24-26) and yes, even as we see in Scripture, there sometimes are exceptions to this as seen in Deborah (Judges 4 and 5), when there were no men spiritual enough to do the job - but not very often. Consider also the following: * In Paul's letter to the Galatians, Paul had said that in Messiah, 28. For there is neither Jew nor Aramean, nor slave nor free, nor male nor female, but you are all one in Y'shua the Mashiyach (Galatians 3:28) * In Paul's letter to the Corinthians, he refers to women praying and proclaiming YAHWEH's message in public worship. (1 Corinthians 11:5) * In Paul's letter to the assembly in Ephesus (Romans, chapter 16), he recognized and introduced the woman Phoebe as not only a "deacon" (not a deaconess) but also the president of the assembly in Cenchreae. (Romans 16:1,2) * In the same letter to the assemly in Ephesus, Paul refers to the woman Priscilla and her husband Aquila as his coworkers, who also host the assembly at their house. (Romans 16:3-5) Earlier when he was in Ephesus writing his letters to the assembly in Corinth, he also had referred to the assembly in Ephesus as being in the home of Priscilla and Aquila. (1 Corinthians 16:19) * In the same letter to the assembly in Ephesus, Paul also addressed the woman Junia and her husband Andronicus as apostles - even as "prominent among the apostles." (Romans 16:7) Please understand that I'm trying to be a big feminist or crazy woman but to share some concern I have as to what this train of thinking will teach both my son and daughters. I want my son to grow up respecting women and with the understanding that God can use them just as much as He can use men. I want him to know that there are many Godly women out there and that he can learn incredible things from them. I want my girls to grow up and know that God wants to use them to whatever their gifts and talents are and to not be afraid to do something because they are women. If they want to cook in the church kitchen and work in the nursery then wonderful and great but that those are not the only places they can serve God in the church. Just some thoughts. I'm sure many who read this will disagree and that's fine we all have our opinions just something to think about.